Today's postings

  1. [Baren 38458] Re: OX (Woodblock Print) (Lester Doré)
  2. [Baren 38459] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V46 #4749 (Mar 17, 2009) ("Mike Lyon")
  3. [Baren 38460] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V46 #4751 (Mar 18, 2009) (Marilynn Smith)
  4. [Baren 38461] RE: Summit 2010 ("Maria Arango")
  5. [Baren 38462] Re: Summit 2010 (Diane Cutter)
  6. [Baren 38463] Names (Jennifer Martindale)
  7. [Baren 38464] RE: Names ("Maria Arango")
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Message 1
From: Lester Doré
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:06:30 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38458] Re: OX (Woodblock Print)
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The Ox print is stunning!


Lester Doré
5710 Forsythia Place
Madison Wisconsin 53705
lhdore at wisc dot edu
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Message 2
From: "Mike Lyon"
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:12:05 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38459] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V46 #4749 (Mar 17, 2009)
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Le Green wrote:
>...More news, I am inviting everyone to the 2010 Baren Summit in San Antonio for the week of June 14 through 18th.
>We will use the StoneMetal Press Printmaking Center, in the heart of the San Antonio arts district.
>Registration information will be available April 20th.

Le - you mean 2012, maybe?

Because Baren has already announced the 'official' 2010 Baren Summit in
Nevada, arranged space, organized classes and schedules, etc etc etc.

Suggestion: contact Baren's administration at and
offer to coordinate a San Antonio Summit in an 'open' year - 2010 is already
'taken' I think!



Mike Lyon
Kansas City, MO

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Message 3
From: Marilynn Smith
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:24:08 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38460] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V46 #4751 (Mar 18, 2009)
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Umm, I thought we were having a Baren Summit in 2010 organized by
Maria in Beatty????? It sure might be better to have only one in a
year, just my thoughts.

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Message 4
From: "Maria Arango"
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:39:08 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38461] RE: Summit 2010
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Le and everyone, there is still indeed firm plans for a Summit 2010 in
Beatty Nevada.

So far I have done a preliminary survey to determine interest, tentatively
arranged for instructors, a budget and schedule has been prepared, have
negotiated some pricing with a local hotel and restaurants for meals,
reserved the Red Barn Art Center and the Goldwell House headquarters and
various other planning items.

In the initial survey, many people indicated that one year in advance was
too long to think about so I cooled the planning stage for a while. But I
have a web page ready to go up online with the information, enrollment and
pricing. The grant season in Nevada is looking bleak so the conference will
have to be self-funded.

If another summit is being planned I was unaware; two summits in one year
would compete for membership attendance, especially in view of the current
and near future economy.



Maria Arango

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Message 5
From: Diane Cutter
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:34:38 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38462] Re: Summit 2010
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I recall there was talk of a possible summit in San Antonio and in southern California. But as far as any concrete planning, Maria set this up with a lot of support from Baren members.

I would be happy to help in any way I can, Maria. I don't think I could offer anything new and amazing (ala Charles et al at the last one) but am happy to what I can from here and whatever needs legwork once there.

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Message 6
From: Jennifer Martindale
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:38:44 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38463] Names
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I was curious about the ox discussion, and wondered if there is a translation hiccup which could solve the question. I have an old book on Chinese horoscopes which talks about the year of the Buffalo. As the water buffalo are all over Asia I assume that they are the original model.
When the western world started to relate to these images, possibly they replaced the water buffalo with the ox, which is as has been said, a castrated male bull, and was also used for farming work and pulled a plough. I became very fond of the water buffalo, and in Indonesia very small children would grab a tale and use it as a rope to scramble up from the back to ride them out to the rice fields. A very stoic creature.
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Message 7
From: "Maria Arango"
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:09:39 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38464] RE: Names
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I can't attest for other countries but in Spain, an ox is a castrated male
bull of ANY species of "cattle" including European and African subspecies.
In Spain you see mostly the same black bulls you see in bull-fighting rings,
but also some long horn African white bulls, Swiss, and others similar to
the American Herefords. They all become oxen.

Stemming from that, I would assume the Chinese would also call the working
castrated bull oxen, stemming from any available species of "cattle" which
could possibly include water buffalo.

Maria, speculating.


Maria Arango