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  1. [Baren 38798] Re: "Dale Phelps - A tribute" Exhibition (Julio.Rodriguez #
  2. [Baren 38799] Re: "Dale Phelps - A tribute" Exhibition ("Mike Lyon")
  3. [Baren 38800] selling prints on line (gcleahy05 #
  4. [Baren 38801] Re: selling prints on line (Marissa)
  5. [Baren 38802] Re: selling prints on line (ArtSpotiB #
  6. [Baren 38803] Re: selling prints on line (ArtSpotiB #
  7. [Baren 38804] Re: selling prints on line (Diana Moll)
  8. [Baren 38805] Regarding Exchanges (ArtSpotiB #
  9. [Baren 38806] no grace periods ("bobcatpath #")
  10. [Baren 38807] Baren Member blogs: Update Notification (Blog Manager)
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Message 1
From: Julio.Rodriguez #
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 19:03:26 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38798] Re: "Dale Phelps - A tribute" Exhibition
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Many of us read here the sad news of the passing of our fellow barener
Dale Phelps this past April. I am sure I speak for the entire Baren family
in expressing our heart felt condolences to Dale's wife Dianne and his
brother Larry Phelps.

The University of Northern Iowa Gallery of Art is currently showing an
exhibition of Dale's prints. For more information on the show dates &
times and for more on Dale's work and life please visit the Baren blog at:

For a look at Dale's contributions to Baren's Quarterly print exchanges
visit exchanges #25, #26, #28, #29A, #30, #32, #33 & #38 at:

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Message 2
From: "Mike Lyon"
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38799] Re: "Dale Phelps - A tribute" Exhibition
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Some time ago, the R. A. Bloch Cancer Foundation purchased Dale's series of
'fighting cancer' woodcuts. Those are displayed in their office and in an
on-line gallery at

-- Mike

Mike Lyon
Kansas City, MO
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Message 3
From: gcleahy05 #
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 23:11:39 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38800] selling prints on line
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I have noticed that many blog spots I visit have prints listed on etsy.  I was wondering about this, can anyone tell me if they sell work from this site and if it is worth joining. 
I am asking because last night I was at a meeting  to discuss the exhibition program for my local community printmaking group ( and someone was saying that they had never sold anything off the web.  Indeed my local group has listed some prints and I personally have not made a sale through this ever.  I wanted IMPRESS to take them down from the site as my prints that are listed are no longer available, unfortunately upkeep of the web has slipped a bit.   I personally sell most work through Australian print awards/exhibitions, local art shows and group exhibitions with IMPRESS.
Anyhow I would be very intersted to read some general opinions about ETSY before I join up.
thank you
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Message 4
From: Marissa
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 23:21:19 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38801] Re: selling prints on line
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Hi Georgina,

I've been on Etsy for over three years and while it isn't what it used to be
with the economy and all it is still a worthwhile venue. I just got a small
sale today and a good sized sale a few days ago. That said I have gone
nearly a month without getting a sale before. I've been putting more
attention into selling locally these days and moving my focus away from
Etsy. But I am not shutting down my shop anytime soon.

good luck making a decision!
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Message 5
From: ArtSpotiB #
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 23:24:57 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38802] Re: selling prints on line
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I have had only one sale over the Net, with it being a painting and from my
own site. However, a number of acquaintances I have watched for years in a
chat room have sold quite a bit through ETSY.

It's kinda wierd to my mind how it has happened for these sellers. Not that
it's the norm for ETSY for all that I know, just what I've seen. The
quality of their work was not to my taste yet the prices commanded have been
high... I do know that a certain % of those sales are to clients met in the chat
room, but not all by any means. Maybe 50%? And I'd not say that it was
personality that sold them either.

It's my guess that the sales that I'm aware of appeal to the kind of client
who also purchases art work at festivals and art fairs.

ArtSpot Out
BA in studio

Learning without thought is labor lost; thought without learning is
perilous. -Confucius, philosopher and teacher (c. 551-478 BCE)

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Message 6
From: ArtSpotiB #
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 23:26:29 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38803] Re: selling prints on line
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Marissa, your work on Etsy is lovely! So much for my opinion regarding
those I've seen sell there.

ArtSpot Out
BA in studio

Learning without thought is labor lost; thought without learning is
perilous. -Confucius, philosopher and teacher (c. 551-478 BCE)
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Message 7
From: Diana Moll
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 00:39:00 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38804] Re: selling prints on line
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I've had my work for sale through Etsy for about 8 months and have,
to my delight, actually sold a few prints. I find the fees very
reasonable. There is a bit of learning curve in terms of listing
items; but soon you'll be a pro at that. I quite like Etsy, though
I've never tried to sell my work anywhere else on the internet.....
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Message 8
From: ArtSpotiB #
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 08:52:38 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38805] Regarding Exchanges
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I've been thinking on how the exchanges have some difficulties... and about

For 20 years I've hosted a number of guests during open studios. There's
always been a concise, reasonable set of written guidelines given to each
participant. Every year the majority found it inconvenient to follow them. I
would not invite those who were especially inconsiderate to return, tho I did
keep their friendship. This year all was changed, with a deposit given and an
occasional reminder that the deposit would be forfit when the participant
did not follow the guidelines. It's been amazing how all have straightened up
after the reminder of "well, if you want to, sure go ahead, but your
deposit won't be coming back to you". Suddenly my convenience became important. Or
rather, their money did. Of course, the Exchanges must rely entirely on the
goodwill of it's participants, so I don't know how this could be helpful...
just throwing thoughts into the air here.

Money talks. When I coordinated there were several who didn't put postage
nor money in their packages, expecting others to pick up the slack. Those who
included just postage kept to the letter of the guidelines. Then there were
the generous ones who put about $10/$20. into the pot and also did postage!
If there was a universal standard, paying the coordinator for the
frustrations, perhaps it would be worth doing the task. Sort of a "botheration" award
for going to the post office to pick up the packages as well as dropping
them off, for redoing bizarre packing jobs and for having to chase down those
not sending the work in a timely fashion. Fresh from training a 300+ member
international group for three years how to be timely, considerate and pay
their way, I was too burnt out to find humor in the coordinator role. I did
get the previously spoiled 30-40% members asking for exceptions down to one or
two per show with a great deal of thought and effort. Basically by setting
increasinly more expensive until the tipping point was discovered. From then
on the artists found it more convenient to follow the guidelines than ask
for unnecessary exceptions.

One of the most intense aspects of running a project is invisible to the
inexperienced. That aspect is "death by a thousand cuts". Basically it is
this: small favors/exceptions add up. The person asking for the favor sees it as
a small item because it is! However, those on the other end, the
coordinator, experiences the NUMBER of exceptions. It's like picking wildflowers.
There may be many by the roadside but if everyone who stops picks even only one,
there'll be no seeds for future flowers.

So MANY people ask for exceptions nowadays that it becomes a real job just
to say no, let alone deal with the actual task. Groups tend to train
repeaters by allowing exceptions. It becomes the norm. In the working world
allowing exceptions means that a really good excuse ("I was in the hospital") is
requested. In the world of childhood, excuses resemble "the dog ate it".
There's a real confusion nowadays between adult and childish behaviors. The
majority of excuses I rec'd as coordinator resembled the latter. I've probably
done the same myself.

If one had done the task in a timely fashion, not at the last minute, the
job would already be done. So, let's resolve to PLAN AHEAD by getting those
prints done in the first few weeks of signing up.... and send not only
postage but also a check to the coordinator...

And thank The Baren for bringing us friends and acquaintances who share
their work as we do.

ArtSpot Out
BA at OMEbase

Art is the visible face of any culture."

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Message 9
From: "bobcatpath #"
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 12:40:05 GMT
Subject: [Baren 38806] no grace periods
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hello bARENERS

i have been away and very busy since being back
i simply deleted all my mail to catch up quickly ;-)
so today i enter upon the discussion of "grace periods"

having joined the BAREN FORUM in 1999 and
taking part in numerous exchanges since then,
i have never been under the impression that there was
a grace period of any kind
nor do i expect one !

as adults- taking on a deadline is totally voluntary-
why take it on and then abuse it (and the coordinator)?

i have never been late
nor do i intend to be

there is plenty of opportunity in four months to get it done.
when i know i will have too much going on,
i just don't join

i say get with it-
get it done on time -
or drop out

the exchanges program is wonderful opportunity to participate
in world wide woodcut printmaking
not a new opportunity for procrastination

gillyin in Miane

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Subject: "Dale Phelps - A Tribute" Exhibition
Posted by: Julio

The Baren family has lost a dear member. Dale Phelps of Waterloo Iowa died at home on April 13th after battling prostate cancer since 1993. Dale, an active member of discussion group and of Baren's woodblock print exchanges since 2005 was a retired orthopedic surgeon, printmaker and along with his wife Dianne a huge supporter of the local Arts. Dale's voice and work will be sorely missed at

The University of Northern Iowa Gallery of Art is currently presenting an exhibition titled 'Dale Phelps: A Tribute,' which will run from Monday, April 27 through Saturday, May 9. Dale was a 2005 graduate of UNI with Bachelor of Fine Arts degree in printmaking.

The exhibition is free and open to the public. Gallery hours are 9 a.m. to 9 p.m., Monday through Thursday; 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., Friday; and, noon to 5 p.m., Saturday and Sunday. The gallery is located at the corner of Hudson Road and West 27th Street, on the main floor of the Kamerick Art Building. For more information, call (319) 273-3095 or visit

For a closer look at Dale's prints visit his personal website at:

For more info on Dale's life and his support of the Arts read:
WCF Courier - Article 1
WCF Courier - Article 2

"George W. Quixote" by Dale Phelps

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