Today's postings

  1. [Baren 39357] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V48 #4894 (Jul 16, 2009) (Doug Haug)
  2. [Baren 39358] Exchange and insiration ("phare-camp #")
  3. [Baren 39359] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V48 #4894 (Jul 16, 2009) (Charles Morgan)
  4. [Baren 39360] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V48 #4894 (Jul 16, 2009) ("Mike Lyon")
  5. [Baren 39361] Tom Killion's workshop, Proofing (Annie Bissett)
  6. [Baren 39362] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V48 #4894 (Jul 16, 2009) (Charles Morgan)
  7. [Baren 39363] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V48 #4894 (Jul 16, 2009) (Marilynn Smith)
  8. [Baren 39364] Re: Exchange and insiration (ArtfulCarol #
  9. [Baren 39365] Privacy concerns for Facebook (Charles Morgan)
  10. [Baren 39366] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V48 #4894 (Jul 16, 2009) (Heidi Koelz)
  11. [Baren 39367] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V48 #4894 (Jul 16, 2009) (Daniel Dew)
  12. [Baren 39368] Re: inspiration (Plannedscapes #
  13. [Baren 39369] Oops! (ArtfulCarol #
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Message 1
From: Doug Haug
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:51:17 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39357] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V48 #4894 (Jul 16, 2009)
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Just a heads up regarding use of Facebook. While going through a
magazine I subscribe to, I saw a PSA from the Graphic Arts Guild
warning members that "Facebook's user agreement states they (facebook)
is granted a perpetual worldwide license to use User Content for any
purpose on or in connection with the site, including creating
derivative works an sublicensing ("

What this means, is that you might lose your copyright to any artwork
or other images you post on their site.

Post happily, but carefully.

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Message 2
From: "phare-camp #"
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:16:36 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39358] Exchange and insiration
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"I am wondering why no one is signing up for this next exchange???"


I usually do sign up for exchanges during semester breaks but this year I'm
traveling and didn't want to sign up and not be able to follow
through...perhaps I'll accept the challenge anyway...I'll look in on the
specs and see if I can work one of the blocks I brought for my masters
project into the size. Perhaps my grandchildren will provide some

Speaking of which, my inspiration comes from many different sources and
moments. My masters project was inspired by a lecture on the Tarot in an
art history lass. I started making notes on the ideas in the margins of
the journal I was taking notes in for the class...

Sometimes a photograph will inspire me. My husband has a great eye for
photography and I will often reproduce one of his photos in an art work.

Other times I will be inspired by a deadline, or a client's needs or very
often by the theme in a Baren exchange!

I've been inspired by television, dreams, literature, history, other people
and nature. I guess I simply translate the events of my life into my art.

BTW, I'm here, I'm lurking but playing with my grandchildren is just too
distracting for computer stuff...;^D

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Message 3
From: Charles Morgan
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:35:02 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39359] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V48 #4894 (Jul 16, 2009)
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I just heard this morning that Facebook is being criticized by the Canadian Privacy Commission because it hangs on to personal information of those who sign up to Facebook, even after they resign from Facebook.

Cheers ....... Charles
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Message 4
From: "Mike Lyon"
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:42:54 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39360] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V48 #4894 (Jul 16, 2009)
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Naw -- you can't 'lose your copyright' -- I don't think that's what it means
(and similar language exists in EVERY such service, of course)... You're
just giving the service 'license' to reproduce the stuff and vouching that
you as the poster have the right to put it up there in order to protect the
SERVICE from infringement claims...

If you don't want your stuff to be grabbed, don't put it on the web ANYWHERE
in the first place!

I've had a few videos on YouTube copied by a guy in France who edited them
to remove my titles and copyright notice and then republished them as his
own. Wrote to him and YouTube and they were promptly removed... No real
problem anyway -- just bad manners on his part, I think. Had I SUED YouTube
for infringement, I'd likely have lost due to both my agreement with youtube
AND the indemnification by the French guy who also agreed to same terms.

But the purpose of Facebook and YouTube and other similar services really is
NOT to gain 'ownership' of our media I'm pretty certain.

Baren reproduces LOTS of members' images (in exchange galleries, for
example) -- who 'owns' those images on Baren site? Claim COULD be made that
Baren owns them in the absence of any agreement otherwise. But, like
Facebook etc, Baren is 'benign' I think.

I think you're being overly-cautious, Doug -- but who knows?

-- Mike

Mike Lyon
Kansas City, MO
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Message 5
From: Annie Bissett
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:53:52 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39361] Tom Killion's workshop, Proofing
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Julio, thank you for taking the time to write such a thorough and
thoughtful synopsis of what you know and what you heard at the
workshop from Tom Killion himself about his work. I envy him his
study with Toshi Yoshida! His prints are very unique, instantly
recognizable as his work and I'm not surprised that the work is
popular. It's great to hear that he's selling well. I went back to
his site and looked at his books -- stunning!

I think of Karen Kunc, too, as an artist who has developed an
innovative style and method of her own using a mixture of western and
eastern methods. I think she studied at Nagasawa Art Park in Japan at
one point. Unlike Killion, she works from a very simple almost
skeletal sketch and then allows the process to inform the developing

There are so many ways to make a print. Which brings me to my recent
Dorothy May Bradford print and the experience I just had of going
back to a "completed" edition and re-working it. I've never done that
before. Barener Tom K. in Australia has exhorted me many times to do
more careful proofing and, darn it, I know that I should but I just
can't seem to get myself to do it. I carve my blocks, do a quick
proofing check just to see if I need to adjust the carving and then I
print from the hip, so to speak. I just start printing and I do the
whole run right then and there. I think I do it that way because
after all that careful carving I want some excitement. I like the
"stress" of not quite knowing how the print will turn out, and
dealing with the mistakes and surprises as they arise.

So I'm curious to hear from others -- how much proofing do you do? Do
you print a whole little run of proofs until one is perfect and then
do the edition based on that one, a true Artist's Proof? Do you work
with an intuitive process and hardly a sketch like Karen Kunc? Do you
do tight sketches like Tom Killion?

(Gayle, yes I carved the lettering on the Dorothy May print. The
print is 10 inches wide, so carving at that size wasn't too bad.)

Andy, have a great time in Chicago!! You lucky Chicago-ites! Wish I
could come.

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Message 6
From: Charles Morgan
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:59:26 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39362] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V48 #4894 (Jul 16, 2009)
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Under Canadian law, as I understand it, you retain copyright unless you specifically release it to another. No agreements were made with Baren. So at least Canadians retain copyright. With Facebook and others, since you do make some sort of agreement, I am not so sure how it would play in the courts.

Personal opinions on these matters do not mean a lot. Only court cases would settle the issue. None of us would want to match the deep legal pockets of any of the web groups like Facebook. On the other hand it certainly is not in their best interests to antagonize their user base. Still, they need to make money somehow.

Cheers ...... Charles
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Message 7
From: Marilynn Smith
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:59:40 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39363] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V48 #4894 (Jul 16, 2009)
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Daniel, good topic. I too often get inspiration from a dream or at
least early in the morning just as I wake up. I think just before
becoming totally awake the mind is clear, uncluttered from all the
input we get throughout a day. Some times I see something and just
want to draw or paint it. The last group of watercolors I did when in
Mexico were when we went camping. I was "itchy" to paint and paint I
did, 2 days of about 8 hours each and I got some good work from it.
Some times I get restless and have to create, other times there is
nothing. It can't be forced. One thing I have found for wood block
designs is to go through pictures of my watercolors and drawings that
are on CD and often one will stand out as something to transfer over
to a wood block print. I than size it and print it and transfer the
image. Often I change the image in the process, so it is usually not
an exact copy. I agree about being alone when inspiration strikes, I
almost always am alone or at least my mind feels solitary. When I need
to work and have not been I can get cranky until I get it out!

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Message 8
From: ArtfulCarol #
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:13:35 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39364] Re: Exchange and insiration
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Message 9
From: Charles Morgan
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:17:46 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39365] Privacy concerns for Facebook
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Message 10
From: Heidi Koelz
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:25:01 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39366] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V48 #4894 (Jul 16, 2009)
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In reponse to Marilynn's comment about the slow sign-up for the exchange, I
thought now would be a good time to introduce myself. I've been lurking on
this forum for several months and have really enjoyed learning from all of
the seasoned woodblock printmakers who post here. I've seen so many
inspirational prints, and the posts about process have been most helpful.

I've thought about participating in an exchange for some time, but have been
a bit wary of jumping in since I'm a relative newcomer to printmaking. I've
dabbled in linocuts for a few years and took an introductory class in moku
hanga last winter, when I fell in love with the technique--though I'm not
sure how much that's despite its difficulty (given the number of variables
involved) or because of it. I have a sense it's the latter.

I notice that it's a requirement to participate in the forum before joining
an exchange, and since I'm considering taking the plunge, I wanted to
introduce myself. While I don't feel I have a lot to contribute yet, I
thought I could at least speak to the topic of inspiration that Daniel
introduced. I meditate, and sometimes images surface while I'm sitting. This
doesn't happen frequently, but the ones that do come to mind seem to have a
particular hold on me--sometimes this can be distracting! More often, this
happens with phrases, since I also write. I'd be interested to know if
anyone shares similar experiences.

Heidi Koelz
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Message 11
From: Daniel Dew
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:39:23 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39367] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V48 #4894 (Jul 16, 2009)
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Glad my post helped you decide! Welcome to the group Heidi.

By the way, my inspiration usually comes when I am alone also, but not
always. Many times, it comes when the pencil touches the paper, when
my eye "see's" something, or when I have had a crazy day and my mind
is so full it will explode, and then, POW, I get the image or solution!

My post had arisen from a funny experience. Crazy day at work, people
all up in my face wanting answers, help, etc... Literally ran to the
bathroom for relief, standing there and, WHAMMO, got the idea for my
next print!

So I wondered, do others get their ideas in the bathroom?
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Message 12
From: Plannedscapes #
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:39:57 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39368] Re: inspiration
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RE: your inspiration?
My print work is pretty much all botanical and I only work in one color.
I have an idea of what a block print "should look like". So as I am going
about the business of my nature photography, when a flower or leaf or
pattern strikes me as the 'right' sort of high contrast graphic shape that could
become one of those stereotypical block prints in my head, it becomes a
candidate for a print. I usually sketch up a quick idea in a little notebook
or the back of an envelope or receipt or napkin to be copied into whatever
sketchbook I currently have active. These are not pretty sketchbooks but
lists of ideas for anything and everything to do with my photos, my
felting, my jewelry, block prints, my silk scarves, my tiny landscape design
business, or my tiny tourist gallery. Sometimes, therefore, things cross
pollinate. A design for silver pendants of prairie flowers for when (stop
laughing) I learn to work with silver might become a block print design. A
block print design might become the basis for a silk scarf pattern. And I
love to work in series, so a flower done in certain way will result in
designs for several more flowers done that way, tho these often remain
unexecuted in the binder, waiting their turn. I advocate this sort of idea notebook
if you do not already use one. A tiny version in the pocket or bag or
backpack for the road and a larger version for the briefcase or studio or
home. Old ideas that never quite worked can be 'fixed' based on some new
discover or can lead to a 'design' for a newly discovered topic. I love the
little ones with graph paper in them so I can start playing with proportion
and vertical or horizontal right away so I stock up when I find them.
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Message 13
From: ArtfulCarol #
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:40:05 GMT
Subject: [Baren 39369] Oops!
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Sorry about that last blank message.
That doesn't mean that I am not inspired.
I often am motivated by experimenting with a geometric shape or group of
shapes and after one image, I further develop or change it, and so on.
Are these called states? This can go on without limit, until I take up with a
new idea.
These came from a method of Escher.
( Woodcuts

I am also inspired by Baren themes, but don't have the time to participate
as much as I used to.
Carol Lyons
Irvington, NY