Today's postings

  1. [Baren 40516] correction ("Maria Arango Diener")
  2. [Baren 40517] master printers and editions... (Lee Churchill)
  3. [Baren 40518] Re: Editioning and ethics (Sharri LaPierre)
  4. [Baren 40519] Re: Editioning and ethics ("Maria Arango Diener")
  5. [Baren 40520] Re: Editioning and ethics (Viza Arlington)
  6. [Baren 40521] Reposting of Lee Churchill's message re master printers and editions... (Gayle Wohlken)
  7. [Baren 40522] Baren Member blogs: Update Notification (Blog Manager)
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Message 1
From: "Maria Arango Diener"
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:58:44 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40516] correction
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This: "In 11 years of heavy selling, I have been able to completely sell
out of 12 prints in editions from 38 to 64 for VERY popular prints.

In print editions of 100 I've sold out of 2 prints. Higher editions, such as
in engravings, of 200, I'm still selling. My highest number sold for ANY
edition is 124."

Should be: ".blah blah..My highest number sold for ANY edition is 64."



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Message 2
From: Lee Churchill
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:06:03 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40517] master printers and editions...
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Message 3
From: Sharri LaPierre
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:10:55 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40518] Re: Editioning and ethics
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Yadda yadda yadda & more yaddas – The idea that an edition has to be
printed all in one session is beyond my comprehension and for me that
would never happen. My images are usually very involved with many
trips through the press or under the baren and if I had to do them all
at once, even for small editions of 25 - 50, I would have to be able
to stay at it for a couple of days without sleep. Does that make
sense? NO. I do as many of you do, print a few, keep copious notes,
and when I sell a few I print again. If the print involves several
plates or blocks I make a neat little package of glassine with all the
matrices and the BAT with notes on the margin, any stencils I may have
used, wrap and tape it all together and put it on the shelf. That way
everything is ready to go and my memory is refreshed if I ever want,
or need, to print that particular image again. There is nothing
untrue or underhanded about not printing an entire edition at once, it
is an accepted practice, even in ateliers. Editioning is such a false
practice, and done mostly for the gratification of gallery owners,
that I think to agonize over it is pointless. Do what ever works for
you and don't give it another thought. BTW, on exchange prints I
always print about 5 extra plus come proofs for my own use and I
include the total number, i.e. 2/43.

As for dog poop in the rain - haven't done that in years, but as I
recall it was not ever going to be on my top ten things I enjoy list.
I don't mind going back to print more of an edition. To me it is like
visiting an old friend and a pleasure to see the blocks/plates again
and renew my acquaintance. But, that's just what works for moi. ;-)

Happy Printing,
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Message 4
From: "Maria Arango Diener"
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:24:27 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40519] Re: Editioning and ethics
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WELL! In that case, la-di-da to YOUR yadda-yadda!!!



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Message 5
From: Viza Arlington
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:06:24 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40520] Re: Editioning and ethics
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I was worried about this when i first started printing again so i did some
research and found that it was perfectly acceptable to print in batches my
main source being The Complete Printmaker by John Ross, Clare Romano and Tim
Ross. Chapter 12 The Business of Prints Edition size......
"If a work is difficult to print and you are eager to go on to new images,
you may find it expedient to print only part of the edition if it is an
etching, collagraph, or woodcut. Print 10 or 15 impressions and record
exactly how many in your record book. As need arises you can print more
because these plates can be cleaned and stored with ease........."
I am always eager to move on to the next image and i only have so much
money to spend on paper at a time and only a little bit of room to keep it
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Message 6
From: Gayle Wohlken
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:10:08 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40521] Reposting of Lee Churchill's message re master printers and editions...
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Here is Lee's message that didn't go through for the digest. Let's
hope it goes through this time.


> From: Lee Churchill
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:06 AM
> To: ''
> Subject: master printers and editions...
> Hey All,
> I didnt want to get in on the editioning conversation since Im
> terrible about it and know it. I don't often edition simply because
> I cant print well enough to get a consistent product (lots of 1/1’s).
> But I will say …
> Having seen a couple master printers at work, that those I saw were
> disciplined and finicky enough that they did keep track and know
> exactly which is which. (I live in awe of the skill level of those
> people, it's a whole level of being I doubt I will ever reach.) They
> did all their experimenting in the A/Ps and once they pulled the Bon
> a Tirer they printed everything in one run (it might be over a few
> days depending on the edition size, but the editions never varied
> the ink batch or paper colour… they were also all perfectly
> registered…They were also so skilled at it that they didnt ruin any
> prints, that I saw, so they wouldn't have had a hole in numbering.
> It was with these people in mind that the ‘rules’ for editions were
> created.
> The rest of us just do the best we can…
> J
> Lee.

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Postings made on [Baren] members' blogs
over the past 24 hours ...

Subject: Coming Soon
Posted by: Dave Bull

This item is taken from the blog Woodblock RoundTable.
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Subject: English Tea On Japanese Paper
Posted by: Annie B


Just trying this out. I'm painting some strong British tea onto this Nishinouchi to stain it before I start printing with woodblocks. Nice color. I do hope it doesn't eat the paper - I didn't do any research on how tea affects kozo fibers.

Tea wasn't actually brought to America until the 1650s, but John Eliot's Indian Bible was printed in 1663 so there was already a bit of tea floating about. Americans embraced tea with gusto, as we often still do with new things. I want a new Apple tablet.

This item is taken from the blog Woodblock Dreams.
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Subject: Scroll Project
Posted by: Ellen Shipley

approx. 11"x14"

Be it known to all...

that I plan to make William's Knighting Scroll. I've looked at 1000 scrolls from the Caid Scribe's website:
There really are 1000 illuminated and caligraphed scrolls on it! Busy little bees.

I ran the mock up past Bruce Draconarius, and he made a couple wording changes and suggestions. He suggested supporters for the shield, so I'll have to get William working on that one. I don't think he has anything in mind. Loki and Freya? ;-j

I have to carve the shield and mantling block, and I'm going to carve at least the beginning phrase -- Be it known to all -- with the initial B illuminated. I know my limitations. I couldn't possibly carve the whole text!

My caligraphy isn't too great, but I guess I can work on it. I'd also like something closer to Caxton's original font, only more legible to modern eyes. I'll have to see what I can come up with.

I feel compelled to add that William is practically obsessive about the color black, so the fact that it's a black and white woodcut is a plus. I'll add a bit of color to the shield and mantling (black and silver) and possibly to the supporters, whatever they turn out to be (surely not zebras or pandas!). A couple letters here and there can be illuminated in the text as well. But it's minimalist by design.

This item is taken from the blog pressing-issues.
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