Today's postings

  1. [Baren 45920] Farewell? (Eileen Corder)
  2. [Baren 45921] Re: Farewell? (Diana Moll)
  3. [Baren 45922] Re: Farewell? (Darrell Madis)
  4. [Baren 45923] Re: Farewell? (Maria Arango Diener)
  5. [Baren 45924] Re: Farewell? (Barbara Mason)
  6. [Baren 45925] Re: Giving birthdates to Museums (ArtfulCarol #
  7. [Baren 45926] Birthdate to Yahoo (Gayle Wohlken)
  8. [Baren 45927] paper plates ("Maria Arango Diener")
  9. [Baren 45928] Here it goes! ("Maria Arango Diener")
  10. [Baren 45929] Size Matters ( slinders #
  11. [Baren 45930] Size Matters ( slinders #
  12. [Baren 45931] Re: Here it goes! (Barbara Mason)
  13. [Baren 45932] Re: Introductions_Janel Warmington (SHARRI LA PIERRE)
  14. [Baren 45933] Fwd: (aqua4tis #
  15. [Baren 45934] Re: Here it goes! (Graham Scholes)
  16. [Baren 45935] Re: Here it goes! ("Maria Arango Diener")
  17. [Baren 45936] Re: Here it goes! (Graham Scholes)
  18. [Baren 45937] Baren Member blogs: Update Notification (Blog Manager)
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Message 1
From: Eileen Corder
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:31:23 GMT
Subject: [Baren 45920] Farewell?
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Hi All (or maybe it's farewell),

Thanks you Maria and Julio for all your hard work and good intentions.

I tried to "Join" but was asked for my birthdate. I don't feel comfortable
giving out such information online and feel uncomfortable with websites that
ask for it for whatever reason. So I guess I won't be a part of the forum

My question is: can I still participate in the exchanges?

It's been sweet!
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Message 2
From: Diana Moll
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:36:29 GMT
Subject: [Baren 45921] Re: Farewell?
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I think you don't have to give your real one...
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Message 3
From: Darrell Madis
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:36:37 GMT
Subject: [Baren 45922] Re: Farewell?
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You don't have to give your real birthdate. As far as Kroger and Facebook know I was born in 1912. And are you sure that is required--can't you just leave it blank?

Madis Arts
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Message 4
From: Maria Arango Diener
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:43:25 GMT
Subject: [Baren 45923] Re: Farewell?
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You don't have to join anything. You can just subscribe to the group's email list and then ignore the prompts to complete your profile. The result will be the same as now, you get the emails to the group!

Here are the instructions, pick choice 3:

We don't want to lose anyone!

Sent from my iPad
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Message 5
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:53:29 GMT
Subject: [Baren 45924] Re: Farewell?
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Easy just make one up.... I don't think yahoo really cares when you were born, it is probably just some stupid demographic thing
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Message 6
From: ArtfulCarol #
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:56:32 GMT
Subject: [Baren 45925] Re: Giving birthdates to Museums
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Years ago, when I was asked for my birthdate after being included in the
registry of National Museum of Women in the Arts, I only gave May 29 and
left the space for the year blank. When the Museum was visited by one of
my collectors he told me that I was listed as May 1929. I did not correct
it. I am not 83.

The curator of the Victoria and Albert, Lionel Lambourne, after acquiring
two of my works for the V&A, apologized for having to ask for my
birthdate. I gave it for their official records.

I do not think you have to give your birthdate to Baren. Please do not say


I think you don't have to give your real one...
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Message 7
From: Gayle Wohlken
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:06:32 GMT
Subject: [Baren 45926] Birthdate to Yahoo
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I took Darrell's lead and changed mine to 1912 also. :-)

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Message 8
From: "Maria Arango Diener"
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:13:52 GMT
Subject: [Baren 45927] paper plates
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Thirteen years ago I moved into a house built in 1964...
(true story)

Spacious, loving, great land, pool. Functional enough, very charming, but!
The ol' kitchen needed a little help.

Fan went out first, we replaced the old funky vent pipe with new and in the
process had to rebuild the whole vent system up to the rooftop. Oven spread
heat all over the house, seal was shot, but worked okay until it too just
quit so we resorted to baking tiny things in the toaster oven.

Some of you may see where I'm going by now.

Sink leaked a little, had to replace p-trap and garbage disposal, no biggie.
Faucet leaked and we just tightened and made a custom rubber seal that
worked pretty good.

Built in microwave just quit one day. We had an extra one in storage so we
placed it "over there" (plenty of space after all) and just zapped things
"over there". Stove top had four burners, two good and two bad. Who needs
more than one anyway! Eight years later there _was_ only one, and when that
one started acting up (just a few harmless sparks here and there...), well
THAT was "the sign"!

We remodeled two years ago, grunted and sweated and bruised and cleaned
grease and slime, scraped paint, removed tile and cabinets. Tiny sledge
hammer, big job. We grilled outside sometimes during the remodel, ate out,
washed dishes in the bathroom sink, lots of microwave meals and paper
plates. Do you know you can wash those and use them again?

Two weeks ago, exactly one year and seven months after we started, I finally
finished tiling the backsplash with twinkling glass tile. I hear my husband
as I write this, sawing and nailing a few molding pieces.

So, dear [Baren] faithful members, please pardon our upcoming dust! We may
ask you to wash dishes in the bathroom sink, microwave "over there" and use
paper plates for a while. But trust that we are feverishly re-piping and
re-tiling behind the scenes and soon those new shiny appliances will make
all those paper plates worthwhile.

Stay tuned, please...

:-) Maria
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Message 9
From: "Maria Arango Diener"
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:25:19 GMT
Subject: [Baren 45928] Here it goes!
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Well, since some of you have been finding the links for the new group on the
blog and facebook page, I guess it is time for the next announcement.
As I said earlier, please pardon our dust while things take shape.

Baren-Forum is moving! Catch the train!
Don't miss out on the conversation, not for a minute...

In just a few days (or more!), the old forum will close and everyone will be
directed to join our new group.
I will be sending everyone an invitation message just like this one. We
don't want to miss anyone!

Joining our new group in Yahoo! Groups is a quick and easy process. As
before, you will be able to get individual emails or a daily digest. Perks
of the new group include being able to upload links and photos, view the
group calendar, and share files (moderated) with other members.

You can join BarenForum in three ways:

.Go to the group's page

and click Join This Group! then follow instructions from Yahoo

.Respond to the direct invitation to join sent by a BarenForum moderator
some time this week,
you will be taken to the group's page, click on Join This Group!
then follow instructions from Yahoo

.Join the group's mailing list only by sending a blank message to:
(see instructions on the "join" help page below)
NOTE: this option will allow you to get mail messages WITHOUT making
up a Yahoo profile,
But NOT to upload photos and links nor get files or view calendar.


How to join BarenForum

How to manage your Membership

General Yahoo Groups Help
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Message 10
From: slinders #
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:35:16 GMT
Subject: [Baren 45929] Size Matters
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Forwarding this message from Oscar, since his message didn't get
through. s.

Dear Clive, and others, large and small

I appreciate folks' serious response to this question. Eli and
Ray's thoughts about the tradition of Japanese printmaking (out
of which Baren was born) are good. As Carole does, I think the
presentation box approach is an elegant way of dealing with
this, though it is embedded in a somewhat different lifestyle
than the West and therefore not comfortably accomodated by
simply standing and sitting (the Western style of house). Wall
art, as different from art objects (to be handled).

Yes, I think that size is an important aspect of art making, and
printmaking. I want to suggest another perspective which I feel
worth considering in creative work.

I received a thunderbolt in my own work (sculpture) this summer.
I picked up an old book of the work of Alberto Giacometti
(1901 - 1966) and have been looking over his very original body
of work in sculpture, drawing and painting. I was reading a
conversation between Jean-Paul Sartre, his close friend and
Giacometti, where he suggested this incredible idea: sculptural
objects have their distance embedded within them!! That is,
each object is best seen at a specific distance.

I was finally able to satisfy a persistent doubt I have had
about one of my own pieces -- I realized the presentation of the
piece caused confusion in the viewer. It was not really close,
and yet (here is the problem) it was not far enough away!! When
I moved it so that one can view it from about 20 feet (7
metres), the object itself changed, became coherent and
assembled into an image.

I would like to suggest, from my own limited experiences, that
the image has its size embedded within it. That is, this image
is meant to be this size.

(Finding that size is of course the happy difficulty of each artist)

Just my 2 cents,
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Message 11
From: slinders #
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:38:54 GMT
Subject: [Baren 45930] Size Matters
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Repeat of previous message
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Message 12
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:47:26 GMT
Subject: [Baren 45931] Re: Here it goes!
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Go Maria...
I know you have been putting in many many hours over the past weeks tweaking and testing the new forum "site" and the rest of us slackers on the council have been rooting for you...Julio is busy as well, not quite sure doing what but think he is approving folks as well as tweaking and testing. I am doing nothing...but cheering you all on.

The advantages of this new process is it will be way less work for all on the behind the scenes operations.... giving us time to actually rework the website, which badly needs an update.Other council folks are working on the website which will go to word press, making it easier to work on. And I am still doing nothing. maybe resting with my feet up.

The excellent will be the ability to upload photos to the yahoo site where the forum will rest...woodblock related, of course, and the dreaded one post a day will go away....

We will have to be careful we name our responses to posts correctly or we will never be able to find things in the archives...Gayle will not be changing them for us, so if you respond to a post on carving with a note on a famous artist, without naming your post about the artist, it will be hard to find it later.

This is an exciting time...and once we figure out how to use the new site, we will like it, especially the part about uploading photos of our work. I think that will be a huge plus. Many of us are less computer savvy than others, but we are still smarter than these machines and their quirky little programs and we can do this.... :~))
My best to you all
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Message 13
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:55:56 GMT
Subject: [Baren 45932] Re: Introductions_Janel Warmington
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This is probably an idea that will go nowhere, but what if we had a "loaner kit" of Moku Hanga brushes? It could be checked out for a month and would have a small fee to cover postage. That way people could try it before they buy it. If at the end of the month they wanted to purchase the entire (or partial) kit that could be arranged and then a new kit set up for rental.

The first hole I see in this idea is that someone might never return the kit. We would have to go on the honor system, but we are all honorable, aren't we? I think so....

Cheers ~
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Message 14
From: aqua4tis #
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:20:42 GMT
Subject: [Baren 45933] Fwd:
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Message 15
From: Graham Scholes
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:14:43 GMT
Subject: [Baren 45934] Re: Here it goes!
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Here is a heads up regarding using Yahoo Groups.
There was/are problems with the system that they recently (about a year ago) adopted...
It a lot to do with security trying to keep the spammers at bay.
It is not seamless and it requires, on a regular base (biweekly), for members to use password to log in.
This drove our members crazy as it was so unpredictable. It was a real pane for our club members who
were continually complaining about the fact that they could not log in easily.

I introduced a seemless and very reliable mail service for our club this is so easy
for those that do not understand or work easily with a computer. It is called
Mailman and allows any number get emails either via individual posts or digest post.
Images can be sent which can have a size Kb limit or left to any size.

You can also have special announcement placed at the bottom of the e-mail announcing
events.... Like up coming Exchanges.... or whatever.

If you want to investigate further I would be please to detail and help set up the the program.

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Message 16
From: "Maria Arango Diener"
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:32:06 GMT
Subject: [Baren 45935] Re: Here it goes!
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Some observations,

-Yahoo Groups had a very recent update, August 12. Many new enhancements
accompanied by the customary "growing pains."

-As pointed out in my email, you do not have to have any kind of profile to
subscribe to the mailing list, just like now. Simply send an email to and ignore Yahoo's request to
"complete" your profile. You will shortly be approved.

-If you do have a profile, for your own security, you will be logged out
every two weeks; clearly spelled out in the profile page. So log back in,
nearly all membership websites do that (Ebay, Amazon, Google, etc.).

-Many of our members already have a Yahoo, Facebook or Google profile, all
of which will allow them to sign into Yahoo. No need to do something new.
Additionally many of our members already use Yahoo Groups for other groups,
Nature Printing Society, Wood Engraver's Network, Papermaking Group, and
SSNW, among others.

-Our group is moderated, not open to public subscriptions and you have to
double opt in (verify that the subscription request came from your email AND
reply to moderator's request). Once subscribed, members cannot see the
membership list.

Obviously in an "exodus" this large, there will always be some glitches and
we ask everyone to be patient and enjoy the ride! Anyone can email me any
time with questions.

Catch the train. Choo, chooo...
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Message 17
From: Graham Scholes
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 22:06:36 GMT
Subject: [Baren 45936] Re: Here it goes!
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Good to hear.....

The program I recommend is not open to public by the way.

I hope that what you are saying does works out. It will be interesting to see
that they have cleaned up the password hassle...

I am aware of the many group subscribers.... Were we targeted for some reason?
The member who set it up many years ago could not get satisfaction from Yahoo.....

The word from our members was .... well it was not nice and should not be repeated here.


Digest Appendix

Postings made on [Baren] members' blogs
over the past 24 hours ...

Subject: Mixed Feelings - The Grammar of Money
Posted by: Annie B

"Mixed Feelings" - Click image for larger view

Here are all nine of the ?Mixed Feelings? prints. I can't wait to see them all together on the wall at Cullom Gallery next month for the opening of my solo show there. The week before last, in advance of that show, I brought the prints to my friend Stephen Petegorsky to have photos taken. In addition to his own fine art photography, Stephen is known for his work photographing art for area museums and artists, and he provides beautiful, well-lit, high resolution digital images that can satisfy any need that comes up -- gallery show materials, web site use, etc. Although it can be pricey to have artwork professionally photographed, I find it to be well worth the money.

I've often used words in my art, even before this ?Loaded? series. But in working with the topic of money, I realized that words and money have some things in common. Both are vehicles for moving inner mental pictures from the realm of dream/idea to objective reality. And both are things we take for granted, that we use on a daily basis, and that we often don't examine closely.
Words matter. How we phrase things reveals much about our inner state and our beliefs. As I looked at some of our cliches about . . .
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Subject: Beginning of the Flags
Posted by: Sharri

For years I've intended to carve blocks and make prayer flags for the garden.  And every year the project has played second fiddle to everything else.  Finally, I am off to a well intended beginning and, more or less, holding my breath that this time prayer flags will actually materialize.  For anyone not familiar with prayer flags they are a part of Nepalese and Tibetan Buddhist culture.  The flags are each dedicated to a particular element or virtue and as they flutter in the wind those wishes are carried on the air.  For a more detailed explanation (and probably more accurate, although I am going with the belief I just stated ,try this link.  I have never been one to be side-tracked by facts.)

My thought is to carve a border block which can be used for each individual print.  After many drawings and ideas I finally came up with a simple leaf and berry design with spirals in each corner. Traditionally the flags have a different image in each corner, but at our house we do spirals.

To get the image onto the block I scanned it first into the computer and then printed it out on the transfer paper sold by McClain's. Working quickly so the ink doesn't dry it is a simple matter of placing the transfer paper face down onto the block and burnishing it lightly with a baren.  Voila, the image is on the block!  Generally, with other . . .
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